SDS 197: How to be Happy and Successful

SDS 197: How to be Happy and Successful

How to be Happy and Successful
Welcome to episode #197 of the Super Data Science Podcast. Here we go!

This episode of Super Data Science Podcast will be an instant pick-me-up for everyone who needs a good boost to propel you where you really want to go. Listen to an interesting chat with Carl Massy, a strategist, life coach, speaker, and author, on how to achieve true happiness.

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About Carl Massy

Carl Massy is the author of ‘The Guidebook to Happiness’, ‘The Guidebook to Optimum Health’, and ‘The Guidebook to Authentic Success’. He also owns and manages a yoga center in Canggu, Bali called The Practice.

He has coached CEOs, elite athletes, entrepreneurs, etc. for the past years. Before Carl Massy shifted his career to pursue his true passion of helping people find their inner happiness and potential to achieve their goals through coaching, he was an Australian Army Major. Aside from being a coach, he was also a fitness and wellness trainer for quite some time.


Let’s take it up a notch and pause for a while on everything Data Science.

Carl Massy starts today with stories on what led him to help people through his yoga center, his books, and his coaching. Carl says that it’s not just having a great physical shape that’s important. It’s also important to know how to manage your emotions and have the right state of mind.

Carl lets you in also on his secret of how he himself achieved happiness. He recalls that it was 1999 when he decided to change everything for the better – he became a pescatarian, he got into yoga, he cut down on alcohol, etc. He was committed to it and this eventually had a great impact on his whole mindset.

Being in the right mindset helps every aspect of your life especially in making decisions. Discover how he manages to be ‘less reactive’ and be more thoughtful in every decision-making. Sometimes, for small stuff, we are opted to make small choices… which is okay. But for impactful things, take time to think and don’t make assumptions So listen in to his 3 tips on how to train yourself to change our state of mind for better life decisions.

Also learn about yoga and meditation, which are good ways to have a healthy mind and body. It doesn’t matter if you learn it from a yoga center or through a mobile app, you just have to get it the habit of it to fully benefit your body. He highlights that the value of consistency and persistence on stuff you do to achieve your goal and happiness.

We also discuss some useful chunks from his book, ‘The Guidebook to Happiness’.  We discuss the importance of the union of your left and right hemispheres, tapping your subconscious mind, having your empowering beliefs, setting up daily rituals, and many more. Carl also lets us in his daily routine which we can maybe pattern ours.

Surely, some might need to take some mental notes, write stuff down or schedule a relistening of today’s episode. You can even invite your family, friends, and colleagues to listen in!

In this episode you will learn:

  • What led him to follow his passion to help people find inner happiness? (03:42)
  • Carl reveals the secret to happiness. (10:27)
  • Taking less amount of reactivity. (12:25)
  • Playing the lead role in the outcomes of your life. (13:59)
  • 3 Tips on how to change your state of mind. (16:55)
  • Yoga, meditation, and the union of the brain hemispheres. (22:30)
  • The use of online applications for meditation and mindfulness: is it advisable? (26:52)
  • Carl gives a sneak peek on some chapters of his book. (30:30)
  • Leverage the power of the subconscious mind to guide us to more happiness. (32:06)
  • What are empowering beliefs? (40:03)
  • Establishing daily rituals to have a solid foundation. (45:05)
  • Gratitude contributes to a better day. (47:00)
  • The daily routine of a happy individual. (51:25)
  • Setting up your primary goals. (54:10)
  • What’s the reason behind the creative burst in the evening? (01:00:32)
  • The importance of drinking water. (01:03:24)

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Kirill Eremenko: This is episode number 197 with an epic life coach, Carl Massy.
Kirill Eremenko: Welcome to the Super Data Science Podcast. My name is Kirill Eremenko, data science coach, and lifestyle entrepreneur. Each week, we bring you inspiring people and ideas to help you build your successful career in data science. Thanks for being here today. And now, let's make the complex simple.
Kirill Eremenko: Hey guys, welcome back to the Super Data Science Podcast. Super excited to have you on the show today, and I'm very pumped about today's episode. It's one of those episodes where you going to get a lot of energy, a lot of motivation, a lot of boost. For a change, we're going to mix things up. We're not going to talk about data science, we're going to just talk about happiness. On the show today, I've got Carl Massy, who is a life coach, a corporate trainer, and also just a very, very happy person. I met Carl when I was in Bali in March this year, and he owns a yoga studio. They're called The Practice. I just saw him walking around and he smiling all the time. He's like a super happy guy. I had to talk to him.
Kirill Eremenko: We got to know a bit better, took a couple of months to get him on the show because he's quite busy flying around the world and giving talks on how to propel your life forward, how to boost it, how to get the most out of your life experience but finally got him on the show and we talked. We had such an amazing conversation. Even just by listening to this talk, you'll most likely feel how you are calming down, how your energy level's going up, and how you just smiling as well. So, very fun talk. We talked specifically about some tips that he gives in his book, which is called The Guidebook to Happiness. I picked it up when I was in Bali and I've been reading it since. Some very valuable tips. So, we'll dive into a couple of them here so that you can get a feel for it, and also get some valuable tips. That book can actually change your life.
Kirill Eremenko: And yeah, at the end of the day, if you're happy and then your work gets better, your results are better, you get more success, everything works around that. So, that's why I think it's a super important topic and I can't wait for you to check out this episode and get to meet Carl Massy. On that note, let's dive straight into it. Without further ado, I bring to you Carl Massy, an epic life coach
Kirill Eremenko: Welcome back to the Super Data Science Podcast, ladies and gentlemen. Today, I've got a very exciting and very unusual four our type of podcast guest, Carl Massy. Carl, welcome to the show. How you doing today?
Carl Massy: I'm doing fantastically well, super excited about this opportunity. And, yeah, I'm excited to share what I've picked up along the way with you and your guest.
Kirill Eremenko: That's so cool, thank you so much. Why I say unusual is because there's a podcast for data scientists, and Carl is an author of books about how to ... the one book I'm having my hands is Guidebook to Happiness, but you also do presentations on public speaking on how to be successful in life, you have a yoga studio. So, completely opposite side of the realm. What do you think? Do you think there's some intersection where people can get a lot of value and enhance their lives, even in the space of data science through what you teach?
Carl Massy: Oh, absolutely. So, my thinking is, the more we do the inner work, the more we're going to have a positive experience externally. And I tend to find that the external results are enhanced by the quality of the inner work we do. So, absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: Awesome. That's fantastic. Well, let's tell us listeners a bit how we met. I was in Bali I think in March this year, and there's two main cities that I visited were Ubud and Canggu, really love Canggu. There's a great coworking space they're called Dojo, and there's a fantastic yoga studio called The Practice. And actually, Carl is the owner of the practice. And I went there literally, like I was there for a week, I went there twice a day. Loved it totally. And there, I met Carl, I picked up your book there as well. Tell us about how it all started. So, you're originally from Australia. How did you start a yoga studio in Bali?
Carl Massy: It was certainly not on my business plan. If I was to give you a quick chronological summary of my life leading up to it. I joined the army at 17 years old, went to the Defense Force Academy, graduated as an officer, spent 14 years in the military, left as a major, traveled for a year, then started consulting to Olympic Games in Salt Lake City. I'd also worked on the Sydney Olympic Games while I was still in the military. My specialty was bone management. And so, I was consulting to the Secret Service in Salt Lake Winter Olympics in 2002, then went to Athens for a couple of years consulting on the Olympics there. Italy to Reno for the Winter Olympics for a year, and then doe half of the Asian Games 2006. So, I spent a couple of years there. So, security consulting.
Carl Massy: It was interesting for me and I became very good at it. But it didn't resonate for me. It didn't sort of light me up. So, I'd always been interested in physical body, and then I got interested in understanding why we do what we do, and why we don't do what we know we ought to do, and trying to work on human performance. So, followed Anthony Robins was I guess my entry point back in 1999. And since then, I'd say, I've read, I don't know, 500, 600 books on different self help and psychology and positive psychologies and social psychologies, all of that.
Carl Massy: In 2007, I decided to make the transition from something that I became very good at and I got a lot of external recognition for, to something that I actually had my heart in. It was an interesting transition and it certainly wasn't easy. After doing some training for a year, then set myself up in Bali in 2008 thinking that ... And I'm a strategist so it's live somewhere there's a low cost of living as you're making your transition. Eyes is on the growth, close enough to Australia so I could visit my family, easy enough to set up a company in Singapore. All of those factors led me to set up in Bali.
Carl Massy: So, coaching for a number of years, and that included a couple of presentations mainly in Singapore and Australia, some back in the Middle East, and started writing a couple of books along the way, work with different clients. And then I coached the two guys who were the founders of the yoga center. I've been doing yoga since 1999. So, it was always part of what I believed to be one of the best physical activities, which also has a positive benefit for emotional health or psychological health. So, it was always something I was fascinated with and I thought, as far as return on investment goes, it's a great practice.
Carl Massy: I'd certainly recommend it to everyone listening to say, if you are about getting the biggest return on investment in the shortest period of time, for a sort of a holistic approach, yoga would be something to look into if you're not already doing it. So, I started working with the two guys, Robin Octavio that founded the idea of creating this yoga center called The Practice, and I knew they'd need some help along the way. So, I coached them and at some point, decided to jump into the business. Because again, it was in alignment with my philosophical beliefs on how to enhance ourselves, our performance, and how to make the world a better place.
Kirill Eremenko: Fantastic. Wow, that's really cool. I must say when I was at the practice you guys, you guys teach a very interesting ... I can really relate to how you teach yoga, because you go into not just the have a class and go away. But it feels like you are part of something bigger. You come back and you continue and you continue. And also, you had this wonderful session by, I think it was Kelly, about the history of yoga and the theory of yoga, which is like a three-hour workshop or even longer on a Saturday. I really enjoyed that, to get that and to understand.
Kirill Eremenko: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you guys predominantly teach hatha yoga and yin yoga and others. Is that correct?
Carl Massy: Absolutely. So, hatha is more traditional, and we take a very traditional approach. And now forward on it is a lot of modern yoga takes the exercise system, but doesn't take the roots and the philosophy. Which actually, one of the things that help you live life more optimally, actually. The physical as a part of it. But as we all know, if we're stressed out, if we can manage your emotions, we can be in peak physical shape, but we can still be miserable.
Kirill Eremenko: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That's true. I remember we were doing ... I love that you guys do ... Several times a week, you have these after our sessions. Like on a Tuesday, you had this kirtan singing and Octavio was running it, and I came there. It was really cool. There was, I don't know, maybe 30, 40 people in the room and they were playing these very peculiar musical instruments. And I had a look at the audience, including you, you are always so happy, man. You are just walking around with the biggest smile on your face. It's just like, I'm so so excited for the life you lead. I would love to be at least half as happy as you are. What's your secret? Is it all yoga, or is there something else?
Carl Massy: It's doing the work. Look, I've been doing the work since 1999. So, that started my shift. Decided to get into yoga. I went to the vegetarian or pescatarian, or whatever they call it where you still eat some fish. I really cut down on alcohol. What I found was I used to make a lot of poor choices, because I wasn't conscious enough of what emotional state I was in while I was making those decisions. I'd make decisions without the right information. I might make the decisions, heaven forbid with alcohol involved and I just would make these poor choices. So, part of the shift for me is just making better choices. I call it conscious living. Consciously cocreating the experience we want to have in our life, and by being more thoughtful in decision-making and learning tools as well. So, I've got tools and strategies to do that.
Carl Massy: So, if you think of a wise Sage like man or woman, they're not racing. They're not sort of fast with saying things. Sort of, they're gliding along with elegance and grace, very grounded, very centered. Something will come up and they'll just observe it, chew on it, digest, and then think of the best response. And then they'll just come out with a response that's very measured and very specific for the situation that is right in front of them. This is the thing that takes the most work is, when I'm coaching clients, it's really about taking him out of reactivity. Because most of the time, okay, studies that suggest that 5% of the time, we're actually conscious of what we're thinking, feeling, and how we're behaving. 95% of the time are on autopilot.
Carl Massy: Another piece of research was saying that, we think that women making decisions, we're sort of 100% conscious of those decisions. There's results that suggest it's probably 50-50. So, 50% of the time, we're not even conscious of the decisions we think we're making consciously. What is would [inaudible 00:13:00] the past. So, the work we want to do is how can I be less reactive? Because reactivity is just living in the past. The past experience, I've got that memory in my head. If I'm bringing the same experience to a new experience, I'm not going to get a new result, I'm going to get the same as the old result. So, part of my work is to do the work, so I'm grounded, stable, conscious enough, and I bring wisdom into a current situation to make the best choice.
Carl Massy: The best choices equal, the best results, best results equal a life well lived. For me, if I'm going to have a great life, I need to be making great decisions. For me, a lot of my work has been what are the things I can do to increase an amp up my decision-making skills?
Kirill Eremenko: Well, that is really cool. I feel that that's something that I do a lot. I feel like I rush into things quite often, like when there's a choice that needs to be made or decision. I feel in general, I'm just rushing through life a lot of the time, and I can totally see how that has consequences when you make the wrong choice. I wouldn't say wrong choice. But you just hastily make a choice, right? Like they say, there's no right or wrong choices. There's no wrong choices, there's only learning. But still, sometimes you can be a bit more, as you say, graceful and elegant about it.
Carl Massy: Yeah. I like to have a lead role in the outcomes in my life. So, I want to put deliberate thought into making those decisions. And if I make a quick decision and I don't have all the resources, I don't have all the information, I'm not necessarily going to make my best choice. Now, I don't want to wait around for all the perfect answers so then I can make the choice. I don't want to have that either. Yeah. So, I sort of look at the small choices which have little consequence. It's okay for me to go a little bit faster on that. But for the most important impactful things, I need to take my time.
Carl Massy: I was just with a client yesterday, and she was trying to disentangle herself. She was in a relationship, and it was an intimate plus a business partnership, and then they've separated from an intimate relationship, and the other is still the business. So, they're trying to sort that out. She's having a conversation with him he's on the other side of the planet to where she is at the moment, and she just tried to win her way through that conversation with him and it was pretty disastrous. I was saying to her, "Realize the things that are most important in your life. It's really important for you to sort out this business thing and work out how you're going to part ways on that. So, if that's really important, take your time to get really prepared for that. Make sure we have all the information. Don't make assumptions. Make sure you're in the right state of mind."
Carl Massy: Even down to saying ... she took a call when she was sitting on a bed and she was all chilled relaxed and had her mala beads on and her yoga clothes on that sort of stuff. She wasn't in the right frame of mind to have a business conversation with this ex-partner. So, we came down to if she had that conversation, she would go to dojo where you talk about the coworking space, she would rent the [inaudible 00:16:34] space here, she would have a jacket on. She used to be a lawyer in her former. Put a pair of clothes on and that would anchor a player in the right state of being, to actually show up for that conversation. So, I'm about being deliberate and intentional about the things that really matter.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. Like Tony Robbins says, change your state, change your life, right? It's everything. Anything we do in life, success is 20% mechanics and 80% psychology. If you're in the right state, you can get and movements.
Carl Massy: Yeah.
Kirill Eremenko: That was a great example of getting somebody into state by changing the environment, changing clothes. Any other tips for anybody at any moment in time how they can change their state? If I'm sitting at work and I'm kind of like in a miserable poor state, how do I change that in the in a second?
Carl Massy: Yeah. You talk about Tony Robbins, he has this thing called a tribe. So, he says if you change your physicality, your physiology, if you change what you're focused on, if you change your language, you can change your emotional state in a moment. So, that's a good one. So, physically moving your body. We might not be in the office and be able to jump around and that sort of thing, but we can certainly breath.
Carl Massy: The Yogi's studied this for thousands of years and were saying that when we bring the breath in and we slow down with that breath, we take longer inhales that grounds us a little bit more. And now science is saying that, yes, when we breathe in through the nose, it actually deepens the sympathetic nervous system, which is the fight or flight response. So, if we got anxiousness, just by breathing in through your nose, slow breaths in and slow breaths out, we're actually going to change the state of our nervous system, which is going to make us more relaxed. What I tell my clients is, when we're more relaxed, we've got a broader perspective, so we can make better choices. If we're stressed out we're like looking through tunnel vision. So, it's really hard for us to make choices. So, we move our physical bodies. One, we might go outside for a walk. If we're at our desk and we can't go anywhere, we can just breath.
Carl Massy: There's another one, just walking and breathing on the spot in a cross-crawl pattern, which means it's like marching. Like when the left knee comes up, the right arms up. What you're doing is that it's increasing communication between the right and left hemisphere of the brain via this sort of Plexus between them called the corpus callosum. What you're doing is you're creating whole brain synergy and coherence. And when the brain comes in a coherence, the nervous system comes into coherence, and we're able to access you know all parts of your brain because we're out of that stress response. So, it might be just up, walking and breathing on the spot for a minute or so, again to change that stain, and again, to reconnect with the breath and cool down our nervous system.
Carl Massy: There might be things as well. I've read a great book called Hardwiring Happiness. What he suggested is when you go through life and we see something beautiful, beautiful sunset, or beautiful tree, or beautiful ocean setting, and we look at them and we say, "That's great." And then we turn around and move on. He suggested, when you see that beautiful thing, anchor that memory, the feeling of it, the senses, the site, and spend just, you only need a minute. And when you're doing it every time you have these amazing things happen, you're anchoring that memory.
Carl Massy: So, you can be sitting at your desk and then bring to mind this memory of, oh yeah, I was up on this mountain, I was looking across, and I could see the border there, and the breeze was blowing. Your body doesn't know the difference between something that's real and vividly imagined. So, you start releasing the chemistry that you would have if you're actually living at experience real. That changes your state at a very physical and chemical level.
Kirill Eremenko: Wow. So, basically, if I see something really beautiful, sunset or something that inspires me, not just go past it, but to remember it in my memory, and then bring it up when I'm sitting at work.
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: That's so cool.
Carl Massy: When you sit there or you're standing there looking at ... imagine these energies infusing your whole body, like you're fully having a full body experience on this thing. And what you're doing is firing and wiring different neurons, and forming this memory in your brain, so you can pull that to mind when you like. You may be having one of those listen optimum days. You just want to get the happy juices flowing a little bit more, and it's like, hmm, smile on your face as you're connecting to that. Just smiling, you changing different facial muscles and actually triggering different biochemistry as well. So, there's a simple one for you. Just put a smile on your face. It can change how you're feeling.
Kirill Eremenko: That's awesome. So, there we go. We already have three tips. Breathing, then remember something, put something to memory and remember it when you're stressed, and then also put a smile on your face. I don't know about our listeners. I don't know about you guys, but I'm already feeling more relaxed just talking to you. I you omit this energy. Your voice is really calming.
Kirill Eremenko: Well, you mentioned the union of the left and right hemisphere through the breathing and through that exercise, that marching on the spot. What I learned from you guys at The Practice actually was very interesting. That yoga, when it originated, which is the Hatha Yoga is like I think four or 5000 years old, when it originated, it didn't have anything to do with pose. Pose is just a means to an end. The actual purpose of yoga is, and the translation of the word, is to the union. The union of your left and right hemisphere. Can you tell us a bit more about that?
Kirill Eremenko: The reason I ask is because as data scientists and analysts and people in the tech space, we tend to use our left hemisphere a lot, a lot, all the time. What is the benefit of the union between the left and right hemisphere? And is it something that we should also strive for?
Carl Massy: Yeah. Look, I read something someone. The suggestion was that an Einstein was someone who would have whole brain thinking. So, the ability to be extremely creative and the ability to be extremely analytical. It's our ability to dance between those two things. This is in life to us too, be able to dance between opposite on a spectrum. At one end of the spectrum might be extreme at the other end extreme, but we might need to oscillate between those two extremes to have the greatest dance through life. For me, doing yoga, and yoga at the essence of it is preparing the physical, but it's preparing the body to do meditation.
Carl Massy: Meditation is one of the best practices for calming down our mind. One of the last two is when people go into deeper states of meditation, and I've seen brain scans on this, Dr. Jody Spence has done a lot of phenomenal work on it. When someone goes into a deep meditative state, the gamma brain activity starts to heightened. Someone might look at first and think that person is having a seizure, but that person is having a heightened experience. And gamma brainwave activities related to when the brain can draw information from all different parts. So, the brain lights up like a Christmas tree. And it's like those aha moments, when suddenly this dot connects with this dot, connects with this dot. And you're like, "Whoa, yeah, I've got it." For me, that's when we truly prosper in life. I call that quantum leaping.
Carl Massy: Instead of doing the Newtonian thing, where we've got to do this, so step to anything that we can do to enhance our ability to be more creative, the more we're going to propel ourselves in life and professionally, without a shadow of a doubt. For me, meditation is one of the best tools. Obviously, it's thousands of years old for a good reason.
Kirill Eremenko: Well, yeah. That's really, really cool. You just got me thinking about how ... where do you find the time? People are so busy these days, yoga, meditation-
Carl Massy: I like that word. I like the word find. Because if we use the word ... and I've studied neurolinguistic programming, so I'm very conscious of the words we use. The words we use sort of drive the way we feel, they drive where our attention goes. If I have the statement that I need to find something, I tend to think that fit there's something outside of myself that I'm looking for. So, I might just change my language around that, and I would use the word, how can I create? I know that everyone listening to this as a creative genius, it's just what can we do to become even better creators? That's where our work is. So, this meditation is one of these tools so you can get even better at being creative like that.
Kirill Eremenko: This is regal. What do you think of ... it would be fantastic for people to experience meditation. You have so many different types of yoga. I tried nidra yoga with Octavio at The Practice, and it's kind of like meditation's guided. What would you say for people all around the world listening to this? For instance, there's an app called, I think it's called Headspace four meditation. Do you recommend those types of applications for guided meditation, or is there some other way that people can learn how to meditate?
Carl Massy: I recommend whatever fits for someone. I always say to my clients when I first start working with them, and I'm leading all of my clients to start a daily practice of meditation, mindfulness, just slowing down, and I say, "In the first instance, get in the habit of starting." So, you want to start. You know yourself, it's the things you do on a consistent persistent basis that are going to lead to mastery. The master is the one that every day shows up regardless of whether they feel like it or not, does the work and they're just building it compound interest, little by little. I say to my clients, "Just get in the habit of showing up. Create the time. Get up five minutes earlier." So, I'd prefer to see someone do five minutes on a daily consistent basis than do 30 minutes every seven days, or five days, or whatever.
Carl Massy: My thing would be, find one of those apps. I think Headspace is a great one and I think there's a number of others, and just start off doing a five minutes, and just get in the habit of showing up. And then maybe that five minutes shifts in the six minutes, seven minutes, six months later, you've got a habit of this and you're starting to feel the benefits of it. You're finding yourself less reactive, you're finding yourself more creative, you're finding yourself coming up with better ideas and that sort of thing. And you're like, "Whoa, I'm ready to then go to the next stage and maybe learn something little bit deep."
Carl Massy: Another path might be someone goes and jumps online and finds a meditation course. Maybe there's a local offering of a meditation course at the yoga center or something like that where you live. Have a look around and find this thing, and try it out for yourself. I'm convinced of a couple of things, and this is one of them. In the past, we didn't have to do physical activities because we had a lot of incidental activity. We're walking, riding, running, physically washing clothes and everything, so we didn't need it. But because technology came in, then we started not doing those basic physical things, so then gyms came up. Because they realize we actually need to physically move our body to have optimum physical health and mental and emotional health as well.
Carl Massy: I think we're going to go the same way with meditation I think we live in our overly stimulated world, where our brains highly stimulated. I know everyone listening to this spends a lot of time in front of computers as well as I do. So, because we get stimulated by those, by smartphones, our brain doesn't get some relax time. So, if we want to be high performers and perform at a high level, just like equal and opposite, we need to make sure we have deep rest as well. And that's where something like meditation comes in. It's like a deep rest. It's like a shell for the brain, so the brain can wind right down. And that's going to help high performance and sustainability with a high-performance as well.
Kirill Eremenko: Wow. Okay, that is very deep. You got me thinking there. Fantastic. Well, thanks so much. Those are some outstanding tips. On this note, actually, I would like to gradually transition onto your book. The one that I've been reading, it's called The Guidebook to Happiness. You have a fantastic number of tips here, similar to the ones you gave, but very structured in the form of a book, that people can use to become more happier. I like how you say in the book that it's not a rule book to happiness, it's a guidebook to happiness. There's a difference. Everybody has their own challenges.
Kirill Eremenko: If you don't mind, without going through the entire book, do you mind if we pick out a few chapters and we talk about them?
Carl Massy: No. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. So, probably the first one, first chapter. Because first one that I'd like to talk about is actually chapter one, and it all starts with the mind. I really enjoyed how you describe that a lot of the things that we do, as you already mentioned on this podcast, that 95% of our thinking is unconscious. And out of the remaining 5%, half of it is based on past thinking. So, in total, about two and a half percent is actually new way of thinking, unless we control it [inaudible 00:31:42] somehow force ourselves.
Kirill Eremenko: In the book, you mentioned that our conscious mind can interpret about 40 stimuli per second, whereas our subconscious mind can interpret about 20 million stimuli per second. So, that is the difference. Can you tell us a bit, like how can we leverage that power of the subconscious mind to guide us to more happiness?
Carl Massy: Okay. I guess the biggest thing is, it's very difficult for us to communicate to the subconscious brain. And the subconscious part of our brain, mid brain, lower brain, is hugely powerful. So, it does trillions of things. Trillions of things per second. Just amazing. So, we want to be able to communicate with the operating system. The way that we communicate with it is the subconscious part of our brain just delivers what it thinks we consciously most desire, and it bases that based on you know what we pay most attention to.
Carl Massy: What we pay attention to is where our energy he goes. If I pay attention to the things I don't want, my subconscious part of my brain doesn't get the memo that's what I don't want, it he sees this thing coming up a lot, a lot of emotion associated to it. So, it goes, "This must be really important. So, as the subconscious part of your brain, I'm going to help you achieve that thing that you don't want." This is the funkiness. Once we get that, we can go, "Okay, I can flip this on its head, reverse engineer it, like, okay." So, if I take time to get real clear about what it is I don't want, and then I practice getting into an elevated emotional state, I get excited, I get enthusiastic, I get obsessed with this beautiful, powerful thing that I want to create.
Carl Massy: That starts changing my biology. I'm firing and wiring different signals in my brain as well. But I'm also letting the subconscious part of my brain know that this is important to me. That subconscious part of the brain has an element called the reticular activating system. This is the thing that filters out those 40 million bits of information. It filters out what it thinks is most important in order to achieve the thing it thinks we want. If I sort of prime my brain to say this is what I truly want in my life and I associate emotions with it, the subconscious part of the brain, reticular activating system goes, "I'm on lookout for that."
Carl Massy: So, we're suddenly walking along and we're going to a cash register, we're going through the checkout of a store, and suddenly we notice often our periphery this front cover of a magazine which has an article in there, relevant to the thing we're particularly interested in pursuing, it's because our subconscious is just picking up all this information. Because we've already primed the brain to say that's what we want, the subconscious is on the lookout to help us close the gap between where we are now and the finalization of that thing that we desire. So, that's understanding the brain and priming the brain in advance of the thing we want. And realizing if we're hyper fixated on what we don't want, we're actually telling the brain at some level that that's what we want. So we just need to be conscious of where we're putting our attention.
Carl Massy: We can't control our thoughts like this ... I don't know. I've heard different things, 45,000 or 60,000 thoughts per day. We can't control those thoughts. They just come in. There's good ones and there's crappy ones and then they're just going to be there. But what we can do is decide what we put our attention on. That's what we have with this frontal lobe of our brain in the cortex of our brain. We've got the ability to focus our attention on a particular client. That's what makes it so powerful.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah, totally. And just to add to your comments about the reticular activating system. So, that cash register example, that's very, very typical, I guess, of what happens there. But I think an example that everybody's experienced, just to put into perspective for our listeners. Imagine you're sitting at dinner with somebody and you're talking. There's so many things going around you, and you actually think you are engaged in the conversation. That's all that you're hearing. But that's all your conscious mind is hearing. The proof of that you're actually hearing way more. You're hearing like hundreds of thousands of times more things, and you're in taking more information.
Kirill Eremenko: We've all been in a situation where you're talking and then somebody at a table nearby says your name. Not in the sense that they're calling you specifically, but maybe they're mentioning somebody whose name is also Carl, or Peter, or Susan. So, they're saying your name in conversation. And instantly, you turn your head towards them. That's your reticular activating system picking up your name, because it knows that your name is an important word that it has to always register.
Carl Massy: And it might even go deeper than that. It might even be picking up a conversation, a snippet of a conversation that's important for you to achieving what you want to achieve. And again, it just picks up then you're suddenly joined to that conversation over there and like, "Oh, that's interesting." It's a powerful tool that we have in our arsenal and we just want to make sure we utilize it and optimize it in our favor.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. I also really like what's in the book that you described that our subconscious mind works in images. It communicates to us in images, and we can look at it through dreams and things like that, and we can communicate back to it not in words, but in images. And so, that explains the whole thing, what you mentioned. That if you're if you really don't want something, well guess what? You're actually visualizing what you don't want and the subconscious mind doesn't understand the word, no. So, it's just going to be like, "Oh, that's what he wants."
Kirill Eremenko: The best way to communicate with your subconscious mind is, and this is the exercise I think that you recommend here, is visualize success. Just visualize what success will look like, and your subconscious mind will find ways to get you there.
Carl Massy: Yeah. And then next level up. So, leveling up on that as visual image, and then connect the elevated emotions with it. That's when you start tapping into the quantum field, because our emotions create these electromagnetic field around us, now we're going quantum. That's the gold star version of creating and manifesting the things in your life. Clear vision and elevated emotional state.
Kirill Eremenko: Totally. Totally agree with that. Yeah. Okay. Well, hopefully, that's useful for our listeners. That was chapter one. The interesting part, what I like about your book is these chapters are very short. Chapter one is one, two, three, like seven pages or eight pages. You read it ... I was had the temptation to read the whole book in a day. But I forced myself to read one chapter per day, because look at us. We've been talking about chapter one for eight minutes now. And there's so much to think about, so much to practice, so much to get in your head so you don't skim over these.
Carl Massy: My military background made me write a book that ... The thing I do in life as I'd read a lot, I learn a lot, I study a lot. And then I want to digest it, try it out myself, and then take the best nuggets with the highest return on investment and teach other people about it. So, the book was 21 different tips. I sort of explained those, then I do a summary of the key messages, and then I give specific things to do. I am all about practical, so I don't have my head up in the clouds and be all theoretical. I want to understand the theories, but then I'm like, "Okay, I've got the theory. How do I apply this to life?"
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. That's probably why you also have at the end of every chapter, you have a summary? Like happiness strategies and summary of what you learned. So, very, very cool.
Kirill Eremenko: Okay, let's move on to the next one that I wanted to talk about. That one would be number three. Have and repeat only empowering beliefs. What are empowering beliefs?
Carl Massy: The thing is with beliefs, we've all got lots of different beliefs, thousands of different beliefs and they're all different. My thing is, when I'm working with someone, I'm less interested in what their belief is. I'm more interested in how to make him feel. So, what I say is an empowered life is something that makes me feel good, makes me feel empowered. A disempowering belief is something that makes me feel disempowered or limited. An empowered belief, I open up, I get more expansive, I get more creative, I've got more blood flow to my body, I'm more engaged and engaging, I'm more magnetic. When I've got disempowering beliefs, I contract and close down. And I stressful states. So, that's, I guess, the definition.
Carl Massy: I'm just conscious of since we took a minute on the last one, I'm conscious of how many minutes [inaudible 00:41:10] we're talking about this. I know I could talk for a long time.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. That's okay. Give us some examples. We're not going to go through all the chapters. This is to give people probably a for some of the ones that impacted me the most. What would you say are some good empowering beliefs for people to have? And what's a good way of putting them into your head? Do you repeat them every day? Do you write them down? What's a good way of doing that?
Carl Massy: The best empowering belief you can have is one that cancels out a disempowering belief. When I'm working with a client, I'm trying to identify what might be the beliefs that are disempowering them. I look at a client and I ask them "Where him we're in your life have you got disharmonious, life not going how you want it to go?" And then when you narrow in on that particular thing, and I say, "What is it you tell yourself that causes you to feel that way?" And then we get this belief statement.
Carl Massy: I had a client recently, and it's not a pleasant one for her. She had this belief because of her history in our upbringing and that sort of thing, that she didn't deserve to take up space. Now you can imagine if someone has that belief. They just closed down, and they're not open to life. And when I talked about what's the opposite of that? Because I want to plant the opposite of that. And it was like, "I'm a shining star." Here's one which is contracting. Shining stars like shining brightly. It's all about expansion. As I was saying with this client, so once she starts having this belief and anchoring this belief and reaffirming this belief mentally but also emotionally that I'm a shining star, she actually started seeing possibilities where she couldn't see possibilities before.
Carl Massy: So, she saw this possibility of wanting to write a book. When she was in this, I don't deserve to take up space, this contract a disempowered state, that wasn't a possibility. By changing her emotional state, by changing her belief, she actually started seeing different possibilities. This is how powerful working on beliefs is, It really is one of the key things I do with all my clients. That might be one way to look at coming up with the right empowered belief for yourself. One of the challenges is if we come up with an empowered belief, like a saying, like a mantra, and if it's like I'm a fantastic awesome person. If we don't believe that and if that's too far of a stretch, it might be hard for us to own it. Sometimes I might work with someone and say, "Look, just start saying I'm okay." And then you own I'm okay. And then you start saying, "I'm good." And then you own that and then you're, "I'm great."
Carl Massy: It's like doing muscle repetitions. It's like I go into the gym and I don't just try and lift the 500 pounds. I go in there and I start doing a smaller work and strengthen my muscle, then I go to the next level. So, that's the possibility if someone is coming from a place where their self-esteem isn't great. And they've picked up some crappy stuff over the years, and maybe they've had some tough breaks in life, so it's a little bit of a stretch to be walking around town, I'm wonderful, I'm the best, life is all wonderful. So, I am practical about the stuff. I'm like, "Okay, let's work with what we have and where we're at. Let's play the long-term game. Let's build this muscle up over time. If we go too fast, too much work too early, I'm likely to do some damage. So, let's be smart about this."
Kirill Eremenko: Yep, totally. Gotcha. That was chapter three of your book. Thank you. So, those are beliefs. And hopefully, that was helpful again to our listeners and you guys can come up with some empowering beliefs. The next one I'd like to talk about is five. I'm a grandmaster through the power of daily ritual. So, Tony Robbins talks about daily rituals and some other teachers in that space have also mentioned that. I've tried it and every time I tried, it's amazing, but then something happens and I stop doing it, and we're back to square one. I'd like to recap on these and also for the for my own benefit, so that I get into a habit of doing some of them more often.
Kirill Eremenko: The first daily ritual that you mentioned, and you mention, how many is it? Six, or seven here. The first one that you mentioned is conduct morning energization exercises. Can you give us an example of that? Is that like what we talked about before? The physical activity in the morning?
Carl Massy: Yeah. What I did was just put together a collection of activities, and then just like an athlete that is prepping themselves to go and have their high performance game. They're like, they want to prepare themselves physically, mentally, psychologically, before they go on the game. So, what I do is I move my physical body. And these days, I say mantras as well. So, I'm connecting to some of these mantras as I'm physically moving my body. I go through a series on it, and it's like about three minutes. I'm happy to give you a link to a video where I've done an example of it. I've got the ocean in the background. You see me talking over with some of the mantras I say. Some of them are quirky, but again, they're just designed to put me into the right psychological state, so I can high perform through my day. They prep me for my day ahead.
Kirill Eremenko: Thanks. Thanks a lot, and we'll definitely include that video in the show notes. So, guys, you can get the link there. We'll mention the show notes at the outro of the podcast.
Kirill Eremenko: Okay. That's really cool. Then the next daily ritual is practice gratitude. Now, this is a big one and I've heard it very often. Tell us a bit about that. Why does experiencing or feeling gratitude, why does that help you in your day?
Carl Massy: Whoa, this could be a long one. I'll keep it short. Studies on gratitude looked at someone practice gratitude over a series of three or four weeks. Their level of happiness went up something like 20% or 25%. So, there's significant benefit. What's happening when we connected gratitude, when we're feeling something, we're actually creating chemistry in our body. So, there's biochemistry happening in our body. Different neuropeptides and neurotransmitters and hormones, which are actually affecting us at a genetic level as well. So, by doing gratitude, we're actually turning on all these genes that contribute to our wellness in our wellbeing.
Carl Massy: The other thing for me too is, if I practice gratitude in the morning, it prides me to notice the things that are good. Because, again, if I don't practice gratitude, I might notice the things that are wrong, and that might take me down a spiral. One of the leaders in positive psychology read a book called Learned Optimism. So, he's saying that you could actually learn to be optimistic based on what you're focused on and what you said to yourself. So, it's about priming yourself to notice one is great. If you come in and I am so grateful for my computer, it allows me to have conversations with someone on the other side of the planet. I'm so grateful for my whiteboard that allows me to come up with these great creative ideas, and I just keep going. I know chemistry wise, I'm doing this. I'm also priming my brain to notice more of the beauty that surrounds me. That's just going to create this looping. See that, feel that, feel that, see that. And that's going to be the state of being that I experience.
Kirill Eremenko: Wow, that's very fascinating. I'm actually reading a book now called The Happiness Advantage. Have you read it?
Carl Massy: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. I've only just started and I like how he says that the people often think that happiness is a result of success. For instance, you need to achieve something in order to be happy. But actually, there are studies that proves it the other way around. That success is a result of happiness. It's kind of like if you think about it. He also uses example in the book that when people used to think that the sun revolves around the earth, and then along came Copernicus and said, "No, actually the earth revolves around the sun." When you think of it that way, it's like a major breakthrough. That you don't need to achieve things to be happy.
Kirill Eremenko: There's tons of people who have achieved so much. Billionaires and super successful people who are miserable. You actually need happiness. If you have happiness, that'll bring you [inaudible 00:50:06].
Carl Massy: You talked about Tony Robbins before. He has a statement that says, "Success without fulfillment is failure." You know you can have whatever measure of success but if you don't feel fulfilled, and that's an emotion similar or part of the group you're putting that category of happiness, feeling those elevated positive emotions. If you don't feel those, well, you're not successful.
Kirill Eremenko: I also like how he says that there' is a science to success, but there's an art to fulfillment, right? And this is what we're talking about here. That success, you just do the motions, you learn what you need to do once you copy somebody or you once you've done it several times, you now know what brings the success. It's just like it's mechanical. Well, obviously there's psychology involved, but fulfillment on the other hand, it is an art, because it's unique to everybody's. It's individual. That's why your book is not the rule book, it's the guidebook. You're giving these ideas and tips and people should take away what works for them.
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: Puts us on right track, at least.
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: Awesome. Okay. And by the way, we're talking here, guys, about daily rituals. So, morning and exercises daily. Practice gratitude also daily.
Carl Massy: This is when you're like one of the things start to catch up. I had the thought come to mind that's a quote by Reverend Michael Beckwith. He says, "What's not feeling like it got to do with it?" So, you like, "I don't feel like meditating." And he's just back at you saying, "What's that got to do with it?" Because you know what's good for you? It's like, this is grit, this is mental toughness, this is resilience, and this is the high performers are the people that do have that grit and resilience and do the work that needs to be done, even if they don't get the short-term, they don't see the short-term benefit. They're playing the long-term game. For me, that's what I want to direct my clients to, is playing the long-term game.
Carl Massy: One of the things for me that's so valuable about daily rituals is they create a solid foundation. As we know in buildings, we need to have a solid foundation to build something great on. And the greater we want to build, the deeper and the stronger our foundation needs to be. We have inevitable setbacks in life. There might be relationships ending, there might be losing money, making poor choices, whatever. What we want to do, if we have a good solid foundation, we're likely to bounce back much quicker than if we don't have those things in place. From an entrepreneurial perspective as well, those give us a level of certainty. If we do those daily rituals, for me they're like a daily reboot. It doesn't matter if I had a really crappy day the day before. I come into my new day and I say, "The past doesn't equal the future. The future is shaped by what I do today." I go through my daily rituals, and I start as if it's a new day. I reprogram.
Carl Massy: The team listening to this know all about sort of reprogram, rebooting, they think about it the same way. If I'm sort of out of whack, I want to reboot system and start fresh. If I have that as a ritual and a series of these things I do as a ritual every morning, whoa, I'm setting myself up to have a great guy.
Kirill Eremenko: Wow. It echoes what the Buddha says. He says, "Every day, we are born again. What we do today matters most." Right? If you think of life that way.
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: Wow. Carl, I am loving this. I'm going to relisten to this myself.
Carl Massy: Fantastic.
Kirill Eremenko: This is awesome. Okay. Your third daily ritual is meditate. We've already talked about that one. Fourth one is visualize and feel attainment of your primary goal. So, we know why visualization is important because of the subconscious mind, of how you talk to it and how it helps you out. What is your primary goal? Tell us a bit more about that.
Carl Massy: Well, primary goal is like, what is the one thing that if you achieve that probably there's a couple of other goals that are going to be satisfied? You might have a financial goal, but the goal of creating this business or creating this product or doing this launch, whatever, that might take care of the financial goals. You don't need to fixate on the financial goal. That's a byproduct of aiming on that primary goal. With the primary goal, one of the things I use these days is just a little checklist. I ask myself, "Is it good for me like good at a wholesome level? Is it good for others, and is it good for the greater good? Is it making a positive impact."
Carl Massy: That's how I choose my goals. Because I know if I work on those goals which have those layers of impact, I'm actually going to be living a more meaningful life. When I'm living a more meaningful life, I'm feeling more fulfilled, I'm feeling more happy. So, I want to get really clear about what I'm focusing on I want to take my time, and this is a lot of what I do as a coach, is help someone get really clear about what their primary goal is, what the North Star is, what they're aiming for. Because as we said about the subconscious mind reticular activating system, we need to know what to put into that. It's hugely important for us to work that out.
Kirill Eremenko: Definitely. Gotcha. Thank you so much. What timeline would you suggest for a goal? Is it like a yearly goal, or a monthly goal, a daily goal? Is there any guidelines on that?
Carl Massy: I think it's different for different people. It might be a 18-months to three-year goal. That might be about the range. I used to sort of work on five-year goals. But these days, there's so much innovation, so much movement, and so much possibility in our life to do something completely different. I've chopped it down into small pieces. I know what my overall purpose of my life is. So long as the goals I'm choosing are taking me in that general direction, then it's all good.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah, gotcha. Also, visualizing your primary goal doesn't mean not visualizing other, thing?
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: You have to visualize it on a daily basis, but you're going to visualize other stuff along the way.
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: Gotcha. Okay, number five, almost there. Listen to or read inspiring material. I really like this one because there's just so much stuff out there that even news that you read, but not by choice. Like clickbait or negative news or just stuff that you're watching on YouTube and there's like this new thing pops up and you get sucked up into reading these things on Facebook and things like that. That is really detrimental, I think, to people.
Carl Massy: Absolutely.
Kirill Eremenko: What is this tip about?
Carl Massy: It's about you being the lead in your life. You choosing what you're going to digest and let come into your brain, and therefore into your whole being. So, you selectively go out to you why and say, "I'm going to like listen to this daily podcast by this particular person because it makes me feel good and it gives me great information. So, I'm going to read a book. I don't have to read hours and hours per day." Elon Musk I think said he reads three hours per day. That's just insane, incredible.
Carl Massy: If you read 15 minutes a day, you're at least reading a book every month, right? So, it's just these little pieces in a consistent daily, all of this stuff stacks up, Einstein and his compound interest. Yeah.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. Gotcha. Carl, I wanted to ask you, what time do you normally wake up? Is there like any correlation between what time you wake up and how happy you are?
Carl Massy: I don't wake up with an alarm, which is definitely a positive thing. I run my own business and that sort of thing. So, I've got the flexibility there. I generally wake up sometime between 6:00 and 6:30. I do my rituals, and I do a long meditation. Sometimes up to an hour meditation. But I've been doing that for like, seven, eight years daily meditation. So, I might spend a couple of hours working on me, but I need to do that in order for me to show up as a coach, in order for me to show up in front of people with this high vitality and energy. If I didn't do the work on myself, I'd come across as a fraud, a phony, a bit too hard for me to do. So, I need to do the work and myself so that I can be the example that I want to set for people.
Kirill Eremenko: Gotcha. And what about if you wake up at 6:00, do you recommend getting eight hours of sleep? Does that mean you go to bed around 10:00?
Carl Massy: Yeah. My thing is like seven and a half hours is probably about my average, and that's like a good average. The second book I wrote, The Guidebook to Optimum Health, like six pillars, and one of the pillars was rest. That's so, so important. We have artificial light, artificial stimulants. So, our body clocks are so out of order. It affects our immune system, so it affects our health at a pretty significant level. So, definitely, I've set the idea of getting up early, but it means I do need to go to bed at a reasonable hour.
Carl Massy: This is a challenge for people, particularly people are working on their computers and they might have creative spurts, and later on in the day in the evening. So, we really need to be conscious about how we manage that. Sleep deprivation is just cutting your creativity and affects your health over a long term, for sure.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah, that's true. And speaking of creativity, do you know why that happens? Why do sometimes we get creative bursts in the evening, specifically? I rarely have them in the morning. But in the evening, I do get them sometimes.
Carl Massy: I think for different people, that might be even the opposite. Some more creative mornings than the evening. So, I think it's you find what your rhythm is and then you plan your life around. So, you give yourself space when you're most creative to be creative in that space. I think when maybe at the end of the day, there's less noise, there's stimulation around you, so it might give you a little bit more access to information which you may not be able to get because you so distracted during the day.
Kirill Eremenko: Yep. Okay. Makes sense. Okay. And speaking of health, your final recommendation for a daily ritual, alkalize and energize your body for a daily green drink or green smoothie.
Carl Massy: The alkaline, that's based on the idea that our blood work stays most healthy when we've got a pH balance of 7.4, around that number, so it's slightly alkaline. That means if we want to have an alkaline internal environment, we need to put stuff into our body which is more alkaline. And it just happens that the more alkaline things are dark green leafy vegetables, fruit vegetables, so no surprises there. The things that are more acidic are your alcohol, your coffee, smoking cigarettes and sugar and that sort of thing, so no surprises. The green drink-
Kirill Eremenko: And meat as well.
Carl Massy: What's that?
Kirill Eremenko: Meat as well is acidic.
Carl Massy: Yeah. For me too, it's like I want to have some ... I'm all about return on investments. How can I get the most goodness in the shortest space and time? So, I'm just throwing this entire bowl of salad into the blender, blending it. I don't juice it, I blend it, which means I still get the fiber there. And what I'm then getting this ingestion of micronutrients, macronutrients, phytonutrients, I'm getting fluid into my body as well, I'm getting fiber into my body as well. Again, instead of waking up on a coffee, I get the vitality of all those nutrients, but I also get the vitality of life foods. So, there's an energy to life foods.
Carl Massy: If I eat a carrot, I feel more energized than if I eat something that's dead like a piece of meat. I might get the nutrient from it, but I don't get the energy from it. This vitality, this energy. So, that's the green drink. I'm a big fan.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah. It's a whole different way of looking at food. Carl, I know that this is from a different chapter, but I think it would makes sense to touch on it a bit here, because even though we're running overtime, I think it's important one. Do you have a few minutes more?
Carl Massy: Yes, I understand. Top up with some water.
Kirill Eremenko: Cool. That exactly what I want to talk about. Your chapter, liquid gold for the body. Chapter 14. Tell us about water. Why is it so important to drink enough water per day?
Carl Massy: If we look at the composition of the body, so 70% plus of the body is water. And brain, I think, we're getting like 75% plus is fluid. Therefore, we need to make sure we have that fluid into our bodies. We live in a day and age where there's so many different drinks. People tend to drink drinks that might act more like a diuretic. So, they might actually help them loose fluids from the body. I live in-
Kirill Eremenko: Like coffee.
Carl Massy: Yeah, absolutely. So, I live in Bali, and because it's tropical climate, I might be sweating more. So, I drink four to six liters of water a day. That means I go to the toilet a lot throughout the day as well. But it's like I'm detoxing my body as well. I'm cleansing the body, so I'm getting the benefit of that fluid in my body.
Carl Massy: I think a lot of people are generally dehydrated. General population, I think there's quite a lot of people that don't function as well as they could be because they don't consume enough water. For me, it's a huge thing if I'm like feeling tired, if I'm feeling uncreative, if I'm feeling sluggish, the first thing I do is I drink a big glass of water. And a lot of times, I'll find that will be the thing that is causing me to feel tired. I'm not tired because of lack of sleep, I'm tired because I'm dehydrated.
Kirill Eremenko: Okay, wow. And so, what would you say, I know guys listening to this, this is not medical advice, but what would you say is a healthy average of water intake per day? Just to put it into perspective. Because a lot of people a liter, maybe a liter and a half per day. Is that enough?
Carl Massy: Look, I'm thinking around about two liters might be it. It depends on what's one's lifestyle if you're inside air conditioning, maybe that's making you more dehydrated. Tropical climate, then you need to take that up a little bit more. So, that might be eight solid glasses of water per day. I think, play around with it. For the listeners out there, try. Me drinking more water three of the day, like keeping more vitality, get feedback. Is it making me more creative? Am I less snappy? Because when we're dehydrated, we have a shorter fuse.
Kirill Eremenko: Yeah, that is true. For our listeners well out there, just be careful. Don't overdo it. If you drink like 10 liters, you can create a mineral disbalance in your body. Don't go crazy. But having said that, I personally drink, like for the past couple of months, I've been drinking, I don't know, like at least two, maybe three, four, liters a day. The thing is I like the ... Why I wanted to mention this during the daily rituals is because I've gotten into the habit of first thing I wake up, I drink like, I don't know, maybe a quarter of a liter of water. Like 250 milliliters of water, at least. Because I have it by my bedside table. So, even before I'm out of bed, or as I'm getting out of bed, I pick up the bottle, and I drink. Right away it starts detoxing my body even before I eat. I think that's important as well.
Carl Massy: Yeah. Absolutely. I do the same thing and I take it up a notch. I put some apple cider vinegar in it.
Kirill Eremenko: Yes.
Carl Massy: You can put lemon juice or lime juice, which is making that water alkaline. Again, ticking this alkaline box and start stimulating the liver. So, it's just these little things, you just make these little incremental shifts, and you're getting even greater benefit for the budget.
Kirill Eremenko: That's awesome. That's like a bonus. Yeah. It's exactly what I do. I have a half a liter or I think 600-milliliter bottle of water. I put a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in it in the evening. I drink half of it before going to bed, then I drink half of it when I wake up in the morning. I've been feeling fantastic. Even though people might think vinegar or lemon juice, it's makes it acidic. Actually no, it feels acidic. But when it gets into your body, because there is no sugar, like in an orange this sugar, but in a lemon, there isn't or in apple cider vinegar, when it gets in your body and breaks down, it actually creates an alkaline environment and really helps your immune system, it helps you think straight, and it has all these health benefits.
Kirill Eremenko: I've watched Tim Ferriss on this on why apple cider is good. He doesn't really know. But it works for him. Works for a lot of people. No idea. Do you have any insights on that? Why is apple cider vinegar a good thing?
Carl Massy: Well, again, I think it's like this alkaline thing. I think that alkalizing, I think the sourness of it stimulates at the liver. So, I think that's for creation of bile and that sort of thing. So, it just starts a couple of processes in the body.
Kirill Eremenko: Gotcha. Okay. Awesome. Well, Carl, thanks a lot. We've run overtime. This is one of the longer podcasts I've had, but I think it was definitely worth it. I learned a lot of new stuff, and I'm going to relisten to this. This has fantastic. Whenever I get off my daily routine and I feel crappy for two days or three days in a row, I'm going to relisten to this, and you're going to give me the motivational moves.
Carl Massy: Bravo.
Kirill Eremenko: A quick shout out. This was a Carl's book, The Guidebook to Happiness. If you want to pick it up, it's available on Amazon. I am really enjoying it. I think it's a fantastic book. Thanks, Carl. You've got a couple other books. What are the names? You mentioned one of them on the podcast already.
Carl Massy: Guidebook to Optimum Health was a second book I wrote. And then The Guidebook to Authentic Success: How to Feel Successful in our Bones. It's a powerful book for taking a snapshot of your life and sort of making sure you're putting attention and energy into all of the areas from a holistic perspective. I'm really proud of that one.
Kirill Eremenko: Awesome. I know, like asked you before the podcast, you are on LinkedIn, but I'm assuming you don't, unlike data scientists, you don't spend much time there. What are the best ways to find you, for people to follow you, maybe social media or get in touch if they would like to invite you as a speaker to one of their conference, or working with you as a client?
Carl Massy: Yeah. I do do a pretty ordinary job on the social media side of things. So, I've got Facebook pages and that sort of thing, Carl Massy, so people can follow me there. And people can reach out, send me an email, ask me some questions. They can go to my website and sign up for the newsletter. I do a newsletter every average of two weeks. And again, it's really practical, specific, relevant information. I think that would be the best way to get more of this sort of information. And then you have the specific questions, then you just reach out to me. There's always my contact details on the newsletters.
Kirill Eremenko: Awesome. Thanks so much. And of course, if, guys, you are ever in Bali, go to Canggu and go to The Practice and say hi to Carl. He's always hanging out there having a lot of fun. He's the guy with the biggest smile. You won't miss him.
Kirill Eremenko: Awesome. Well, Carl, thanks so much for coming on the show today. Really appreciate you sharing all these insights and taking the time of your day to help us see how we can better our lives and become more happier and more productive, effective, and energetic.
Carl Massy: Yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you very much for the invite. I'm so grateful for this opportunity to be able to share some of the stuff with the listeners out there, because this is my reason for being. I love learning this stuff. But the loop isn't closed until I get a chance to share it with other people. So, thanks very much for listening in on this. And like we said, if you've got any questions, don't hesitate to ask, and I'll make sure I give some good resources there that you may continue learning with.
Kirill Eremenko: All right. Wonderful. Thank you, Carl. Speaking of gratitude, I'm also extremely grateful on behalf of our listeners for you being here.
Carl Massy: Thanks very much, buddy. A pleasure.
Kirill Eremenko: There you have it, guys. That was Carl Massy, an amazing session. I really enjoyed this conversation. I hope you did, too. Lots of insightful takeaways. I have a feeling I'm going to relisten to it just to get the good vibes. And also, refreshing that knowledge as well. If you were taking notes, then great. That's great, so that you can take these things away. If you weren't, that's also fantastic because hopefully, some of those things resonate with you and you could pick up a couple, just to enhance your own life. Try them out, see how you go. If that helps, then add more and slowly, slowly, slowly, add more and more and more, and make the most out of your life experience. That's what it's all about.
Kirill Eremenko: On that note, if you'd like to connect with Carl and get in touch and follow him, then all of the links are going to be at the show notes at There, you'll find also all of the materials that we mentioned, Carl mentioned, that video that he was going to share, you will it there at To finish off, the book was called a guide book to happiness. Highly recommend picking it up. Carl has two other books, which you can also check out.
Kirill Eremenko: Finally, this episode isn't just about data science. It actually is not about data science at all. It's about happiness. So, if you know somebody in your life who can actually benefit from this information, who can boost their life, who can get more of the life experience, who you feel needs a little extra push, needs that little extra motivation, then send this episode to them, make their day, make them smile, and give them these positive vibes so that they can indeed make the most of their life experience just as you are ready to opt to today.
Kirill Eremenko: Thanks so much for being here today. Really enjoyed the time and really appreciate you taking the time to be here. On that note, I look forward to seeing you back here next time. Until then, happy analyzing.

Kirill Eremenko
Kirill Eremenko

I’m a Data Scientist and Entrepreneur. I also teach Data Science Online and host the SDS podcast where I interview some of the most inspiring Data Scientists from all around the world. I am passionate about bringing Data Science and Analytics to the world!

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